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RalphHarri-
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Post TC10k race changes….
on: January 19, 2017, 02:23
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🙁

I wonder what other changes are coming to the event. It is missing something when Bloomsday and Sun Run are like 10 times as big….

Society continues to make changes to TC10K

Mizner

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 19, 2017, 02:34
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Running Room = creepy cult.

…but if you are brought in to improve things, I guess you change what you can change….

I don’t think Running Room will make anyone do the race that wasn’t going to do it before. No one ever said, “I am going to race this race because a store is involved.

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on: January 19, 2017, 02:57
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I don’t know either of these brands so don’t care. Not from there either.

When I race I am more interested in running well. Is the course good? Why is it shrinking? I doubt a store is going to matter.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 19, 2017, 03:13
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Bob1,

They are f*****g creepy. The Running Room owner John Stanton has his picture on every brochure, ad, book that they produce. He thinks he is beautfil. If you look at his short bio it says that he started the store because he wanted to buy from knowledgable people.

He hires some real dumbass people. Most of their staff know nothing.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 19, 2017, 03:21
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OK. I see the video from the last race I think. Looks like it has a very scenic area to run in quite nice. Why wouldn’t a picturesque race like that not grow? It seems like a fast course based on Kelsall’s story about past winners. Is it expensive? That will keep people away.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 19, 2017, 03:28
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Where do you guys go for weeks on end? A subject pops up and you guys come back like that (snapping fingers). Interesting.

Bob,

The TC10K course is pretty fast. It is legal too. Many years, there is a strong headwind that blows up Dallas Rd so runners have to deal with that for 3.5K….

The city is beautiful. The start and finish are stunning on a sunny day. I wonder about why the event has shrunk, because it is mostly locals who race it. Some disconnect there…..one thing is the race calendar is stacked full in the city. By the time the TC10K weekend comes, there have already been about 20 good races to do that have 200-1000 people…rather than the 7-10,000 they have….

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SallyFiver

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 19, 2017, 11:36
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It sure looks like a nice race and a beautiful city. I heard it is very beautiful there. Lucky people.

What’s wrong with the Running Room? I shop there all the time.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 19, 2017, 11:39
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Victoria people have a buy local mindset. The article says that the running room used to be a sponsor before. People don’t like changes, but the race has apparently been sinking. Expect more changes.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 19, 2017, 16:31
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http://athleticsillustrated.com/?s=TC10K&x=0&y=0

Here is a search link to “TC10K” stuff, there is quite a few videos of races and stuff. Nice scenic route.

Mizner

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 19, 2017, 19:10
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Drop the cult. Here is the dealio folks. Running Room like Frontrunners are supported by the suppliers. So the 10,000 shirts come from the supplier. I can’t imagine RR putting up dollars for the race, they only pay 35K/yr for a store manager. Poverty.

Wootang

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 20, 2017, 02:26
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35K is okay for people who have no idea what they are doing, which is the case for most of their store managers. Either they don’t know what they are doing or they are not allowed to know anything.

In Edmonton people actually think the stores are cool. Ha ha.

Mary-Anne

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 20, 2017, 21:38
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Not everyone wants to make a lot of money and have a lot of responsibility. Some people are okay with a little less money and an easier lifestyle job, Wootang.

Mizner

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 24, 2017, 01:27
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True Mary-Anne, true. So putting aside the low-paying store manager position, let’s talk about the cult. It’s a creepy business.

Once in a while they will have a good person who is knowledgable, but for the most part they want hobby joggers who know nothing. So that still sounds okay until you talk to them and find out that they want to correct supination and pronation and other “issues”.

I am not going to trust some guy who thinks 40K a week of jogging is serious and therefore capable of advising on shoes. Shoes are a racket anyways.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 24, 2017, 01:39
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Mizner,

They have a 117 stores. They must be doing something right.

RalphHarri-
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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 24, 2017, 11:15
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So sticking with my original post, here are the changes so far: </p>
<p>– new race director in Joe Dixon.<br />
– removed most of the committee.<br />
– committee members quit the other day.<br />
– remove sponsor without at least asking for their proposal.</p>
<p>When Joe applied, they just handed him the job. Other more qualified people did not get a response or a thank you or an interview – nothing.</p>
<p>

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Salvo Door

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 24, 2017, 23:02
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Hey Amigo,

Sounds like they are no longer tolerating a shrinking field of runners.

Mexican word for the day, nachos. Nachos problemo.

Is running room in the Victoria?

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 24, 2017, 23:18
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Salvo:

Frontrunners is owned by a couple of local guys in Victoria, with three stores plus a couple of other non-Frontrunners branded stores, New Balance Victoria and a new one, Nomad I think is the name. There is a also a Frontrunners in Nanaimo owned by a couple of other guys – all good community oriented people.

Running Room is owned primarily by one guy from Edmonton, who had grown to 117 stores across Canada and into the states.

There are three Running Rooms in Victoria.

That’s it for running stores. One of the Frontrunners used to be a Peninsula Runners store – a Greater Vancouver brand. Well at one time Frontrunners’ flagship store downtown used to be a Forerunners – another Vancouver brand – both still in operation.

Forerunners was started by Peter Butler, formerly one of Canada’s best marathon runners, while Peninsula Runners is owned by Paul Williams, who at one time had three Canadian middle-distance records.

Frontrunners was started by Rob Reid and Butler – Reid was a 2:22 marathoner back in the day.

So there is a bit of a community ownership thing to these brands and when Running Room tries to take market share, it ruffles feathers.

Although ironically, Running Room was once a sponsor of the TC10K.

Christopher Kelsall.
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Mizner

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 24, 2017, 23:25
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I like Frontunners downtown the best, but I really like them in the old shop when they had stuff everywhere it felt like you were hanging out with other runners. Now they look a little too franchisey, especially the Shelbourne store, it looks like Sport Check marketing person went in and made it look corporate. I want to see boxes and hear music and posters and shoes everywhere.

Running Rooms are cookie cutter stores with local joggers working lifestyle jobs…which is okay, but their branding is on every clothing item that you buy. Sometimes you just don’t want to wear their label.

RalphHarri-
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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 24, 2017, 23:30
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…also none of the board or committee, whatever they call themselves, are runners….

none.

Would a soccer tournament in this town get off with no soccer people involved? Would a hockey tournament take place with non hockey people? The HarbourCats baseball team is run by a guy who played and coached and managed at the pro level.

Need a new board or committee….

Mary-Anne

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 24, 2017, 23:32
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I still don’t see what the problem is you guys.

Wetcoast

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 25, 2017, 11:37
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Douglas@Victoria wrote:

Not sure why it isn’t showing up – trying to fix….

“The success of a race should not be measured by how many entrants it gets. The TC 10K has suffered from declining fields for many years but it still attains its goal of raising money for many local charities. It also is probably the first and only race some people do all year.

Having Running Room as the title sponsor frees up Frontrunners sponsor money to support local races like the Victoria Track Series.”

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CaptainHap-
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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 25, 2017, 13:06
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I don’t think it is many years, Douglas@Victoria. A few though. But you still need to do what you need to do to make it sustained business wise.

How about working with the Ferry corporation for a deal on that? How about the city grabbing some balls and having the race at 11:00 so upislanders can come down? There is nearly a million people on the island.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 25, 2017, 20:42
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I just looked up the ferry crossing rates. First off they are about $70 Canadian each direction if you have a car and add more per passenger. It is a 90′ trip but you have to be there early and get to the ferries. And then you have to drive from the ferries to downtown and that looks like 30K so it is a three to four hour trip for $100 each including gas.

No one from Vancouver is going to pay to go to Victoria to race. I think Seattle is worse, but they save money on the exchange rate.

Mizner

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 26, 2017, 12:06
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Bob1,</p>
<p>You can get on a Ferry as a walk on for about $15 if you get on a bus I think it is like $35 or something downtown to downtown. If you get five in a car, you can pay $15 each plus split the $70 five ways, for getting a ride…then it is not too bad. It is a beautiful cruise, relaxing, great way to socialise. You can nap, eat and enjoy the scenery. The races starts at 8 or something, so then you need a place to stay. I like Captain Pans suggestion of 11:00. Better yet, Kelsall once mentioned, why not do it at night. </p>
<p>Get a 6pm race, then everyone party. Economic impact will be higher than as with an 8am race, people go home, take a shower, nap then get on with their usual Sunday. So make is Saturday night. </p>
<p>Party downtown. More people will watch the race too if it is at night. 99.999% of non participants and non volunteers are just getting out of bed when the race is on. Dumb.

CaptainHap-
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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 26, 2017, 16:43
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Is it true that they fired the committee? Anyone know? Was everyone shown the door???

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 26, 2017, 16:49
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I heard they initially fired a few people and the rest walked out the other day. I also heard that now there is no one from the running community running the show. From a business perspective this is a little dangerous. </p>
<p>Should have someone, anyone….from the running community.

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Please stick to facts.

Wence

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 26, 2017, 22:43
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I am going to address the 6:00 pm start thought right here: BINGO! Great idea. Saturday night 6:00 PM is perfect. With all the dollars that the event brings to downtown, the city should put up more prize money to attract more international runners. More international runners means more stories in the newspapers and tv and radio…MARKETING.

Now sun sets at 8:30 at that time. No one will take 2.5 hours to do the 10K. If they do, they should go on the sidewalk.

Carlsbad 5000m goes at 11:00 am.

If Victoria thinks it is a legit sporting city, they should shut down the streets and make it a real festival.

RalphHarri-
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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 26, 2017, 22:49
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I don’t know if six will work on Saturday as the town is pretty staid and afraid, 11:00 am Sunday wont work because of all the churchgoers. It’s a beatutiful area, but people just want not to be inconvenienced. Downtown is already an almighty hassle with parking and meth addicts.

Mizner

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 26, 2017, 23:10
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Sticking to the topic, I still think this is bulls**t that the local race with no runners involved goes with an outside company. I am not running the event because I don’t like what I see going on with removing the committee, sponsor, etc.

SallyFiver

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 12:17
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Maybe John Stanton will make the TC10K great again.

Mizner

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on: January 27, 2017, 13:50
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Maybe Joe Dixon will make the TC10K great again. </p>
<p>Yeah right.</p>
<p>Search his history with Slowtwitch.com and here

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 13:53
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Check out his Better Business Bureau rating. There are four complaints: https://www.bbb.org/mbc/business-reviews/event-planners/outback-events-ltd-in-vancouver-bc-1272288/reviews-and-complaints

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 15:51
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In all fairness those are old threads and complaints. There are often conditions out of one’s control for not being able to pay bills. I am going to save judgement until there is more information.

SallyFiver

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 16:33
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Well that has escalated quickly, wasn’t expecting that.

Here is a thought. Why would the Times Colonist allow the name to be TC10K? Sure it is catchy, but they should demand some full name marketing the Times Colonist 10K. The Vancouver Sun Run isn’t called the SR10K.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 16:56
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So they did fire a few people on inauguration day and then a few people have had enough and have quit and now it looks like they are left with a former soccer guy, a lawyer a questionable character RD and little else.

My main concern is the track meet. I hope they don’t kill it.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 17:07
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I heard that as posted up above. To be reasonable though people quit and get fired often when new regimes come in.

Have you seen all the videos on this site that CK has shot? There are some good ones of the race. It is a good course.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 17:13
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Thanks, Wootang. Too kind.

Here is a link to last year’s video, I think I shot about six years in a row?
Plus lots of other videos and articles around the event.

The course is indeed nice: http://athleticsillustrated.com/video/2016-tc10k-to-3600-race-footage/

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 17:13
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Thanks. It is a nice course. Here is the latest video: http://athleticsillustrated.com/video/2016-tc10k-to-3600-race-footage/

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 19:29
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Quote from CaptainHappyPants on January 27, 2017, 16:56<br />
So they did fire a few people on inauguration day and then a few people have had enough and have quit and now it looks like they are left with a former soccer guy, a lawyer a questionable character RD and little else. </p>
<p>My main concern is the track meet. I hope they don’t kill it.

I am officially abstaining….screw them.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 27, 2017, 20:25
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Hey Folks:

Just an FYI, I am going to go through this thread with a fine tooth comb and make sure that we are not making comments that could have legal consequences. Going forward, please make sure your comments aren’t slanderous and are accurate.

I am all for free speech, however, there is a limit. At the end of the day, this is a community race that is run mostly by volunteers and has been a marquee participation event for a long time.

Should you have questions about this message, please feel free to email me at editor@athleticsillustrated.com

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RalphHarri-
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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 28, 2017, 01:29
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Kelsall,

Don’t waste your time fine-tooth combing. There is nothing here to worry about.

I do know someone who has found the process to be a little concerning, but it is hard to prove at this time.

Mizner

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 28, 2017, 02:05
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One problem the TC has is it is up against a race schedule that is jam packed. Since no one reads the newspaper anymore, the ego boost is not as satisfying when reading your name in the results.

The 10K and the marathon have suffered from the growth in popularity of the half-marathon. I don’t think they can recover, to be honest. They should accept the races as a 5,000 participant event as I think it will settle there. Since MEC, Island Series are cheaper and trail running is growing in popularity.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 28, 2017, 13:53
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Yeah Amigos we are beeing harsh on the people. They are trying to run a race together.

It is nice to have local but maybe the locals didnt offer enough money.
They should have some runner people though.

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on: January 30, 2017, 11:55
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….and then silence….

Someone get a cease and desist order?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

There are a lot of complaints about the guy’s past. I might have read all of them on various forums. Patterns….some things not worth mentioning.

Maybe he wants to correct past errors or start on a new path of goodness.

TC is not broken. I agree with whoever mentioned that it should settle at 5000 and be good with it.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: January 30, 2017, 23:55
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Kelsall did this once before with the Lanni Marchant/Natasha Wodak thread.

Probably just doesn’t want trouble.

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on: February 1, 2017, 03:28
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I saw an announcement today on twitter that Athletics Illustrated is supporting the Sun Run. Do they mean with articles and things? They probably don’t need support. Meanwhile the Rock ‘n Roll company is ending the half marathon for October.

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on: February 7, 2017, 11:46
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Rock ‘n Roll has a paid American staff. They couldn’t afford to take in Canadian dollars and pay staff in American as well as manage the event against a backdrop of red tape. Better the running club put it together anyways as they always did.

I heard the Sun Run deal is simply promised coverage for a rate or something like that, that’s the rumour on the street. When you have guys running 28 minutes versus a race where guys run 30 guess what is more interesting to the site visitors to a site like this one?

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: February 12, 2017, 14:28
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All is quiet on the western front.

Has anyone thought of approaching the TC to make it part of the Island Series that I see you folks have happening and or the BC Super Series?

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: February 17, 2017, 16:36
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Did you guys boycott the press conference the other day?

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: February 22, 2017, 15:51
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Silence, like a cancer grows….

Hell oh? Anyone there?

I doubt that AI boycotted the press conference per se. I am leaning towards the race people failed to invite AI out.

Kelsall? You there?

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: February 22, 2017, 17:07
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It was not a boycott, but an apparent oversight. Apology delivered and accepted.

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Post Re: TC10k race changes….
on: February 24, 2017, 11:59
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So now they shifting money to more local athletes and away from international. NOt sure about that decision. The race will stop being interesting as the field quality drops.

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on: February 24, 2017, 17:40
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Make sense considering it isn’t that big of a race like the Sun Run or the Bloomsday or Carlsbad or Ottawa or even GoodLife now. Why should they spend money on elites that are not from here, how does that help the registrations?

I get it that it would help if TC was an international race, then they have to compete with bigger events. TC is a community event, really.

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