Fascinating podcast interview with Russian whistleblower Vitaly Stepanov, former employee of the Russian Anti-Doping-Agency and at the same time married to doping 800-metre runner Yuliya Stepanova (1:56.99).

During this 30-plus minute interview, they discuss WADA failures, doping, corruption, whistleblowing, and living in exile. Stepanov is the primary subject to the newly released book The Russian Affair by David Walsh.